I always wondered if one person at the third office really liked the phrase, and everyone just followed her lead. I hear this about bless your heart all the time. That seems really rude; after all, Im the one who is requesting the call so I should do the dialing. Is that incorrect, Sparrow? Ugh, I cried once at work and ever since, my manager always sends me gentle reminders whenever I make an error. My boss has a thing for highlighting key words, e.g., I will NOT have contact with the printer or Please be sure to save ALL files to the shared drive. I understand shes trying to stress the importance of the message, but the caps feel distrustful to me. In my mind, an employee who just comes to me and says please advise is taking the easy way out and making my job harder at the same time. So I write all my emails in a formal, succinct manner. I use please advise, but I use it sparingly, usually after I have presented options and just need some help deciding which option would go best for this particular situation. Please advise doesnt annoy me and I use it myself much the same as Katie The Fed explained in her comment. Although I would agree that there are worse email offenses. Im rapidly coming to that conclusion as well. (Usually from a higher up.), I have to admit that I do use the term please advise AND in all caps to one certain person in our company. Or something to that effect. I moved from big city to mid-Michigan and West Michigan though. Oftentimes even after the actual document has already been shared!! Thank you! Please click the link that we've sent to this address to post your question to our experts.Ok, I'll check my email. Often times, I presented with a lot of data that I dont know what to do with it. So you took the time so send an email to tell me to call you and thats easier than just picking up the phone and calling me yourself? Comment: Shed been told about that by other staff, so I reminded her of that event, and then said, this is one reason the parking procedure was put in place. I figure my bolding in emails annoys some people, but I do it because those people typically dont read the important parts and never respond. Could this be confirmed either way to help my order progress please? Some newbie staff members were constantly parking in that spot, which meant one of two things the midnight person had to use one of their breaks to move their car after that staff member left, or if that staff member forgot to move their car, they had to walk 500 metres in the dark to the staff carpark with no cameras at all. Such a pet peeve of mine! I said yes, we do have a parking procedure. Please advise. I wouldnt mind this. I think please advise is okay when youre asking a question going up the ladder, but coming from a manager to a subordinate it does usually come off as, please advise WTF you were thinking when you did this., Yeah, since someone above you is unlikely to actually want anything that could be called advice from you haha. Agreed. It is truly the Phrase That Keeps on Giving. Fastest Times Our team of editors is working for you 24/7. ok, thanks all. Idk, it just seems like the nicest default sign-off. Whats the verdict? It drives me batty. Ive been working in an administrative role for the past two years and have found your blog very helpful. If both are wrong then what would be the right thing to say. That irritates me too. I use that a fair amount but I use it collaboration, when Ive formed a plan and want to run it by one or two others because I literally want to know if my plan makes sense. I dont typically send reminders because I figure you are a grown-up and you can (should be able to) manage your own deadlines. FWIW, the overuse of the word like is probably the most annoying Americanism. But I genuinely DO hate pestering people. Its like some people where I work really hate double-sided printing. I dont use the phrase for one of the reasons Alison mentioned: Its too formal for my taste. I only had to explain it to him once. This drove me up the wall because she frequently appended it to requests that were not the recipients responsibility or anything theyd agreed to do. Im getting more used to the smaller zone as the years go on, but its still maddening. So we just print single-sided for them. *other English-speaking nations have their own usage or slang, [dont know where the rest of that sentence went]. is also grammatically sound but a bit less formal. I have used the kindly requesting bit. Often, one person or department will need to make a decision that effects my clients. ;)", So good. So? 4. I frequently have to exchange e-mails with attorneys who are fairly high up the food chain. Here are some basic steps to help you tell an interviewer you have another offer: 1. Also, just the sheer volume of email I got made it necessary to adopt some kind of triage system, and people who plainly asked for what they wanted from me always got priority. Yes, sounds good to me. Its quite amazing. Certain phrases set me off too. Shes lovely, but I dont like the phrase. Thats a great use for it. Use plain language. I just say, Hi can you tell me if blahblahblah? and just wait their response (if Im IM-ing them its not that urgent). If I was having the chocolate tea pot situation I would write, Please let me know which option you prefer. I feel like more time is wasted when people try to save time on words and instead use please advise. The second option sounds like the sender is fed up. There are situations where someone under you (general you) genuinely does not have the information to make a plan of action. This. Can you give me an update on registration I do as well. Can you please clarify? God knows I can relate to pet peeves I have more of them than most people, probably, and I bristle at language that is unnecessarily rude but in truth, business email tends to use a lot of words, phrases, and conventions that really arent intended to be rude, or friendly, or have any emotional spin to them at all theyre used to convey a concept. Clearly Im gong to advise you dont tell me how to do my job. I also get please do the needful and gentle reminder. This also leads to confusing subject lines. How may I help you? or even Next in line, please., I have fortunately never heard that phrase , but I suspect that somewhere along the way Whos next? got combined with I can take/help the next customer in line (or something similar), Ok, I can see that. I work with someone who uses thoughts? a lot. I try to leave the actual question for the end of the paragraph. Free and automatic, this tool compares phrases. Bobby: Jane and I spoke, and we had a question about X. FYI, I copied Sue into the conversation as shes working on Y so I wanted to keep her looped in. I think Ive probably written Thanks so much in advance too but more when its part of a longer exchange where the other person has already suggested the thing Im now saying Yes, please do that to, not just cold. I dont think you do actually need a closer every time, whether you mean a final sentence or something more like sincerely. Especially with people in the same office, and especially when it gets deep into an email exchange, I see a lot of messages like this: And thats the whole message, and nobody thinks its rude, because those two people have already emailed each other 20 times that day and theyre not bothering with Dear Jane and Sincerely anymore, or a sum-up sentence at the end or anything. and the comments from the editors", My editor understood my intention and gave me a good advice !! Ive never heard sleeps in the US. I used to manage a group of volunteers for a Nigerian 419 scam warning website. I think thats kind of the same though I mostly get those when Im out of the office, and take it as a sign that theyre not expecting me to be available to take calls at any particular moment. how do you handle being pregnant at work? I never mind it. I suspect itd be relatively easy to write a business email assist function that would help people compose nicer, clearer, more consistent emails. Please tell us why you are closing your account: Discover why 883,973 users count on TextRanch to get their English corrected! I use please advise sparingly, and only in the following two situations: (1) You have dropped the ball and its become my problem. I tend to err on the side of not reading snideness into emails unless its either really egregious or I have reason to believe that the person is actually trying to be snide. Yeah, its more please give your overall thoughts or opinions on this matter versus a specific question. I dont really like the gentle reminder phrasing, but I guess I dont necessarily see a way around sending reminders. Yeah, I used to work at a company that had outsourced a lot of its work to India. :). But if I am looking for something from the other person, I totally feel the need to have the very last bit of the email reflect that. Please advise means the situation is complicated and doesnt lend itself to an easy question, or there isnt time to articulate one, or theres a lot of separate questions, etc. ", Its one of the best way of improving written skills. Annoyingly, Outlook will put the green squiggle under advise in the phrase Please advise and will suggest advice instead. I use it as more of a heads up- I need some input from you. i kind of agree with the letter writer. And you could argue that business email is its own special little dialect. I have the same issue with the response No worries but due to a personal relationship, not a work one. If my calls and emails have been ignored, I will politely include this phrase. Sexy way of putting it! Please let me know which option you prefer 6,500 results on the web Some examples from the web: So will you please let me know . if (w.addEventListener) { What time shall we say? So Id let this one go. So I just associate it with management instructions. The same thing happened at my old job as well! If you reply only to the sender, anyone else on the group email who is going to reply all to advance the discussion wont know to remove you. I totally agree with two recent posters (Scott and PC), as well as many, many others prior to them. Thanks a lot for editors. I think Thoughts? is totally fine. I use Please Advise constantly when I have no idea what the actual question would normally be. I close with Please advise, and cc the original parties in conflict so they can all see Im trying to get an answer from someone at a higher pay grade than me that needs to weigh in. If kids notice this stuff, its going to be even more obvious to adults. Just no. I can definitely think of specific people who only use please advise in the negative context. Although to be honest, if Im sending my boss an FYI email I usually indicate that. But I think thats why he did it. It is Something That Is Not Done in our culture (which tends to be very email/IM-focused). Because it's a special occasions. It was at that point I realised, it is not my explaining that is the problem here. Sentence examples similar to let me know your preference from inspiring English sources. I would use Please advise where I need a definite answer. Most reasonable people will understand it. Were not children here. In most cases, I find that the person writing this at the end of an email already asked me a question in the email. All afternoon we received hundreds of emails remove me from email list and please do not reply all. Senior c-suite exec was pissed and scheduled everyone who responded to that email for a session on email etiquette. I always get back with the tardy person and ask them if they need something else/anything before they can reply. Id never use it with a peer, manager, or client whom I interact with frequently, as they are simply more responsive to client needs. I occassionally use please advise if I think the reader may miss various points in my email that is actually a question. Request you to note the dates and let us know the way forward. Given the general horrid state of business email etiquette in general, I find it difficult to complain about any word usage that begins with please. I work with people in India a lot and they do say Please do the needful which is quirky English but not offensive or particularly grating to me. Yes, this is how I use please advise. is this FYI, or is there a question or task buried somewhere in here for me?. AHHHHH. Can I help whos next? is completely ungrammatical to me. 2) People who hijack an email thread for an entirely different topic. I am reflecting that the phrase I hate to be a pest, but can also come off as passive aggressive. I should also add that I appreciate reminders since Im disorganized and support too many projects. If I have one grievance to file about business email, it would be that I wish people wouldnt use words that they dont understand. Answer (1 of 21): It's grammatically fine but meaningless. And please let me know when his lawyer gets here. what the hell? Please Advise.. If a client needs something, and a person in a cubicle at home office is holding up the matter, I have no problem using it succinctly, but nicely. I have people in India who do this a lot too, but I grit my teeth and move on. If I didnt have please advise to fall back on, Id have to quit my job. I would like to give some of that advice to the current staff that I manage. Heh, I have seen it used that way, now that you mention it. With a little picture of Puss in Boots from Shrek, holding his hat and with The Eyes. var s = d.createElement("script"), tag = d.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; It seems like, no matter what, there are phrases that really tick some people off. Attempt to manage you/assign tasks and they arent your manager? I like the sentiment; the phrase just seems so grammatically tortured that I wonder how and why its caught on. Because it is deferential, I would view it as an obnoxious phrase only if used by a manager to a direct report and not vice versa. Ive already posted something like four comments in this thread, which is kind of amazing since I dont think Ive ever consciously considered my thoughts on please advise before. 3 months ago. Copyright 2007 - 2023 Ask A Manager. This means that you can drop the adverb "please" and simply use "let me know if you need any help" instead. Or, I schedule a 15 minute call with a conference line and ask them to phone in. Research indicates, however, that including "don't know" options actually produces more problems than it solves. Except with the way you worded it, youre implying that your boss *has* to go with one of the three options you came up with as opposed to coming up with their own idea. I met some Icelandic people who complained about how uncomfortably close Americans stood. So, I figured, maybe Im explaining this badly. We're pretty excited about this feature, so please let us know how it works for you. ****-----------------------THE BASE:This listing is for one *large* toony African wild dog foam base to make your own fursuit or mascot costume. 2. should you wish. Or we haven't found it but, so let us know when you discover it first. We use the yellow highlighter feature around here for emphasis, and it works very well. They havent been out plowing the fields; theyve been sitting under the picnic shelter in the shade with the rest of us! I am having a hard time with the fact that someone is having a hard time with the word please being used. Traduccin Context Corrector Sinnimos Conjugacin. I know everyone has pet peeves, but for OP to think that its annoying and childish for using a phrase she doesnt like is a bit over the top. How do you feel about putting those words in bold instead? Me too. 3 likes. Please Advise doesnt sound snarky or passive-agressive to me at all. Thats going to tip it towards a stern request that you fix something without any further input from them. When I see it, I always remind myself that, irritating though that phrase is, the writers proficiency in English is much better than my proficiency in the writers native language. My peeve is when people reflexively end all emails with thanks, even when they are merely letting me know about something, not asking me for something. Artificial intelligence still cannot do this ! Yeah, its annoying to me for that reason, too. This was meant in response to Katie the fed. Can I help anyone? versus Who was next? Yes the way it grates on me is when I get a message that says please advise, I take time to actually give a suggestion or remedy, and then either hear nothing or find out that they did whatever they wanted anyway without actually listening to my advice. Complete. w.attachEvent("onload", loader); Perhaps it depends on which way the statement is flowing? We realize that we have likely missed some great companies, so please let us know if we missed you. I think we could write Please let me know which you prefer or What do you think? and offend nobody. Same goes for people who use Comic Sans and other scribbly fonts that are hard to read which I think is unprofessional. So I emailed her that I had tried the codes but got an error message, and ended the email please advise, thanks, Cassie. you made this easier,thanks or something similar. On the other side, is the writer genuinely seeking information or help? Just had an email saying another comment had been left. the people who are secretly working multiple full-time jobs from home, future manager is a bigoted jerk, boss hasnt paid me back, and more, weekend open thread February 18-19, 2023. Because it makes perfect sense in Spanish . Sending The flight I was supposed to send this on is cancelled. I thought text is edit by machine, but it's real editor.Stunning! Im hoping you have more important things to worry about. I recieve emails like shipping updates a lot of the time and Ive defaulted to saying Thanks! because I dont know what else to say, even though theres not really anything Im thanking them for. Terrible. for some reason i picked up the phrase from there and now i find myself using it all the time, in texts and facebook messages and tweets. But dont you need to reply all with a request to be removed from a group email? I wish I could find out about Textranch earlier. This happens quite frequently in my current job and its quite normal. Currently leaning toward Option 2 or Option 4. Some people either a) forget to put any subject, b) put a very generic one-word subject that I have twenty other emails with that same subject but for different topics, or c) put an entire novel in the subject. Its just that, were putting covers on ALL TPS reports now. Do NOT leave your belongings at the front desk. Also, I dont mind it at all if people skip leaving me voicemail and instead email or IM with a request for me to call them back. + Read the full interview, Zubair Alam Chowdhury, Technical Support Specialist, TextRanch has helped me to improve my written skills as well as to communicate more naturally, like a local English speaker. It sets my teeth on edge. We can either 1) switch to white chocolate 2) continue with milk chocolate or 3) form a team to identify new chocolate options. Which one do you prefer? Neutral phrases "Yes, Thursday is fine." (also with friends and colleagues) "Thursday suits me." "Thursday would be perfect." Informal phrases Yes, Thursday's great for me. Yeah, I never know what to do when you get something and Thanks! isnt really appropriate as a reply, but there isnt really much to say in reply. I can literally count on one hand the number of times I have received a phone call without advanced notice from a colleague. Please advise. So because of that, it does signal impatient and demanding to me. Its gold when paired with and kindly revert. Because that essentially says, please do this, then undo everything you just did. Please advise. Which would be annoying. w.addEventListener("load", loader, false); Please advise. Cause Im in Scotland, I can occasionally get away with wee reminder instead.I usually go with this is your 2nd reminder or maybe this is a reminder that the deadline for x is _, Coming from some people gentle reminder is scowl-inducing but wee reminder is great :). We had a parking procedure in place for a long time that the last person out the door at midnight parked in a specific spot where the security camera could see that person leave the building, walk to their car, and get in. Id never say to another person, Please advise., I tend to write like I talk, and I really, really try to avoid any written phrases that dont scan like normal speech. This is the kind of comparison Im thinking of. LOL I read it as some character from a Disney movie about to break into song. Me, too. Back-office folks are often out of touch with what client relationships mean. This is a kind phrase, as you are politely ensuring their comfort, while also offering any further assistance if deemed necessary. Ive also been using it fairly often as well. Ie, if youre reading along and you encounter a word you dont understand, you drop everything and look it up, right then and there. You are incredibly annoying and childish. 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