He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. Its only your perception and I would deny it. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . They do things right. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. It just looks weird. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. Period. The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. They drift from church to church. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. JOHN: When you go out the door, there's one for each of you. You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. Could you tell me the difference? During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. If the cap fits.on the other hand if it doesnt then I accept your apology! The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. New International Version This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. But to me that is clear what it is. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. 3) Its not Furtick who will save the world from hate, crime, drugs etc. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? Dear David, If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! It happens. From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. If you stop and think about what you have written you will I hope grasp what is wrong with it. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . Hardly the same as Furticks message! It is still priced as such on my Amazon feed.thankfully someone pointed me to another link which I have now used to buy the book for a couple of pounds on Kindle. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. Cool name, cool Church I knew that it was one of the fastest growing mega churches in the USA, and had heard a little of its pastor, the dynamic Stephen Furtick. Not on Amazon it aint! Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. Pastor / Teacher. There is nothing more basic than these. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? I surrendered to a calling of God. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. (You can read the follow up five years later! For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? Paragraph. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. (John MacArthur). My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? IMHO he totally manipulated the emotions of his audience and used the scriptures in an inappropriate way. Cameron Buettel, Grace To You, Hillsong, Jeremiah Johnson, music, worship. Legal Statement. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. "[34] Regarding eternal security, he states, "It should never be presented merely as a matter of being once saved, always savedwith no regard for what you believe or do. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. In John MacArthur's book, "The Truth War" he writes that " Churches today are filled with people like that. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. (2Tim. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. ", "What is dispensationalism? You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. Conclusion: And now I wait. I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. It was neither juicy nor gossip. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. MacArthur has written three books on the subject. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? In the sermon above Stephen lets out a wee quip at the beginning when responding to some criticism go start your own church. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. Do you still endorse it? Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? March 5, 2021 . Is this success? John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. point taken). Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? 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