Louie, your blog does not rise and fall by my participation. In the early days of the Novus Ordo priests and some Bishops understood that they had to give that scandal in order to protect souls from sliding into heresy and losing the Faith. You have some excellent points in your comments, but I agree with Mr. Matt on this one. Search. Phoenix, AZ http://sspx.org/, Dear marian, And we must distinguish between the two. Dear Adam 95, Youngstown, OH. Montreal, QC Colorado Springs, CO Look more closely into the factions and personalities in and around Irving that split up Fisher Moore College around 2012-14, and you just may find your answers as to whose motives now motivate whom. The time and place has to be taken into consideration as well. The Society is not in an irregular canonical status that is a made-up term by SSPX supporters. FUNERAL HOMES. So does the Church. Those who have ears will hear, those who have eyes will see. The evidence is all around us. than we do. You have inaccurately classified & also inaccurately defined the sedevacantist position. The Holy See, FSSP Apostolates Gerard Saguto, admits that further explanation regarding Fr. The opinions of Voris are small potatoes when you look at the big picture. Dear piokolbe and/or radtrad, Lincoln, NE . I DARE him to try and dispute me. And yes, most especially under the duress we all endure. Regardless of how we categorize the post-conciliar popes, the Traditional movement is best served by sticking together. Sunday Masses will . The very word sedevacantist is almost considered profanity. The root of this schismatic act can be discerned in an incomplete and contradictory notion of Tradition. I do think it possible to simultaneously hold that Bishop Olsons action was in certain ways unjust to the staff and students at Fisher More while also being critical of the administrative leadership of President King. From the Desk of Canon Olivier Meney, ICRSS GOD did it 2. The founding document of the FSSP contains lies and heresy. Christendom College will see three of its alumni ordained as priests this summer. Will the FSSP tell Voris PUBLICLY that he does not have permission to use FSSP sermons in his attacks on other Catholics in print or in audio and that his view that the SSPX is in schism is not the OFFICIAL position of the FSSP? In this letter, the North American District Superior of the FSSP, the Rev. Enter Terry Carroll his self-appointed Executive Producer the same guy that bought Mike and CMTV a building at a time when they were about to find themselves without a studio and precious little resources for securing a new one. Call Father Wolfe and ask him about the SSPX! The rules and commands originated with a person. Denton, NE (Seminary) Why should this action with the SSPX have any meaningful import? We are Baptized and likely Confirmed; that means that graces come with these two sacraments that put us on a path to meet God, throughout this life, at our judgment, and hopefully face-to-face in heaven for eternity. This is a combox, we are commenters. The real truth of the matter is that some of them are not doing or saying what piokolby wants them to do or say. I have a certain admiration for Fr. hi, scott, The SSPX did likewise, and yet will Voris call Burke a schismatic should this happen? Inaccurately classified and Inaccuratley defined sorry to the average reader i got it wrong in my comment above thanks de maria for correcting me. It was simply too painful for many lay people to take. Lastly, my contact confirmed that indeed something in 2012 caused Fr. It is their dissent and heterodoxy and lack of courage that have caused all of this to happen. It must be pointed out that validity is not the central issue. The full details of what happened at Fisher Moore College need to be made public. Another is the fallen-nature blindness that affects us all and inclines us to take for granted things that we are used to: be it a spouse, family, friends, health, employment, position, or other things. Saguto for his work as District Superior of North America since 2015. Wolfe. Dear john6, Please allow us and them to listen to you. But how to do so when belief seems so uncertain or dark? That should be past tense, i.e. hi, Servant of Our Lady, The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter has served All Saints since 2013. A home then is not a sum of commands or rules given by a father or mother. We really have no idea what pressure these FSSP priests are under. The FSSP does not have time to respond to every crackpot coming down the internet pike. This is the document that created the FSSP. We all have blind spots about ourselves and situations we may be in, and the realization of such things can be quite the exercise in humility. But just bc it ought to be further delineatd in that separate category for clarity which would take a minute. Saguto, Fr. Zilch. They do not understand epikeia at all it seems to me. Positively, perspective and vigor can also be reclaimed by personal initiative and vigilance to make sure we do not get into ruts with the things that are supposed to be most important, that we are mindful of the obvious in such matters (kind of ironic when you hear it said that way). Allentown, PA Father John Marcus Berg, F.S.S.P. Ottawa, ON In justice it should be known. This is the depths to which mens minds can sink when they are not moored to the pursuit of truth. I suppose that you wont change your mind, as you have said that you already looked at the links above, but I wanted you to know (with my greatest respect for you) that the Lazarus story does not add strength to the thrice-condemned divine mercy case. I read this blog daily.I may post here about 3 times a week, if that, and I would hardly consider what I do hijacking. The heartfelt acknowledgment of potential loss is a sure-fire way of checking contempt and correcting things. This comes about in various ways. Visit https://sacredliturgyconference.org/ for information about the next conference and how to register. His first Mass in Seattle will be on Sunday, October 5th and it will be a sung Mass. Father Joseph DeGuzman, FSSP, from priestly ministry outside the archdiocese to chaplain of the Latin Mass Community of St. I love piokolby and others here enough to point out that they may be sinning themselves by their polemics and lack of prudent speech. In fact, there seems to be an unspoken standard for comparison about what constitutes a home: home is supposed to be a place of security, stability, and safety, a place where one found love and learned about life, was educated and allowed to mature, so as to engage and contribute well to the larger world outside it, and remained always a place one can return to for a needed respite. The way it is done here by poikolby and some others is NOT the Catholic way taught by Jesus Himself. Or more likely, he is a talking head for an evil and destructive force. Philadelphia, PA Be convinced that He always leaves His runaways with a key to get back into the house. Fr. Dear Alarico, It was taking the faith seriously that led me to become sedevacantist and it is taking the faith seriously, that my family is going to hell (literally) which led me to break contact with them (as Jesus Christ directs us to do see Matt 18). The FSSP is also responsible for the break up of several Catholic marriages. Post navigation Indeed, contrary to what some may hear about us, we sedevacantists in reality live amidst other Catholics in peace & gracious commaraderie. Perhaps, I should chose my words more carefully. Also, the cardinal mentioned Fr. This is not the place to debate the sedavacantist position. And for conversions we pray for, remember that among the Christian denominations there is only one Baptism it belongs to the Catholic Church so ask the Holy Ghost to stir up in them the courage to see where the blind spots are in their profession of faith. This link is more succinct. The thought of home is something that is written into the heart of every human being; while often times it brings to mind a physical house or location, it goes deeper. Terry Carroll, like his pastor, did too, and that personal vendetta against the Society (and unwillingness to go full bore after the dangers associated with the Council, the new Mass, and the actions of the pope) has since been adopted by Michael Voris as well. Mater Dei Catholic Parish 2030 East State Highway 356 Irving, TX 75060 Phone: (972) 438-7600 Email: - [email protected] I ask this question with all sincerity not to provoke any animosity or defensive reaction. The Fraternity is known for celebrating the Mass and sacraments in Latin in what is known as the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, following the liturgical books that were in place in 1962, prior to the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council. German-speaking Chaplain Father Gerald Gesch. Fraternity Publications This is what michael voris used to say You really need a better source, maybe someone who doesnt provide you with misinformation in order to slander a good and faithful priest. Wolfe. The society rejects the second vatican council and the new mass although officially dont deny the validity of the sacraments as they are in the new rite. In any case, only an idiot (willing or otherwise) would equate every request that comes forth from the lips of a pope with the will of the Father. We do need to know who we can trust and who we cannot. Priest Training Workshops Apr 20, 2020. Just because theyre traditional in teaching and praxis doesnt mean theyll always be prudent in every respect. Gerard Saguto FSSP has been named priest administrator. Baltimore, MD Catholics are watching and waiting. Fr. San Diego, CA Getting information out of Poland was very difficult for a long time. http://iconicjesus.org/home/category/objections-to-divine-mercy-sunday/. Now there is the objective case of schism, and the legal/subjective case of schism. If Ratzinger is leading people to hell, denying the divinity of Jesus Christ, contradicting Jesus Christ (re: valid covenant of Jews) and committing sacrilege, Ratzinger is NOT good. 6th group sedevacantism those who belong to this group regard the chair of peter vacant there are different variations/groups of sedevacantism but mainly beleive there hastnt been a true pope since the death of pope pius xii 1958.1 of the main reasons they beleive this is that a formal herectic cannot hold office and therefore places himself outside the church. The Missive. Thank you for discussing it. As for the suggestion that the SSPX simply left the Church by holding fast to the true faith, even as her aforementioned weak and corrupt leaders abandoned it, is idiotic even for him. Voris linked directly to the FSSP site in Scotland in his attacks on Catholics in the SSPX. FSSP Missions And yet magically, come midnight Dec. 8, 2015, zilch will, according to the pope, turn into the jurisdiction necessary to validly and licitly hear confessions and offer absolution. John 10:11], http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1870-will-you-die-for-him-a-sermon-on-the-eve-of-persecution-in-america, (3) SSPX now that it is wanting to be in full communion w/heretics is pretty silent itself. Louie February 22, 2023 Blog Post No Comments. Certain nearby FSSP priests were drawn into the controversies. Tyler, TX https://akacatholic.com/providential-propers/#comments The problems with the FSSP are doctrinal: Do they disagree with Voris? So, what exactly will change at the stroke of twelve? The Pope grants (to what he may consider the schismatic) SSPX jurisdiction to grant absolution. The Society operates from the standpoint of speaking Catholic truth in the face of every attack regardless of the source. Wolfe (as many on the ground have informed me and will likely attest here in the comment section) adopted a rather personal, and some would say unhealthy, animosity toward the SSPX. I pray that Catholics (on BOTH sides of this issue) read your response and learn that the real enemies of Our Lord love confusion and division. 777 Forest St., St. Paul, MN 55106 Father Wolfe FSSP is the Priest the sermon is linked at the end of this blog: I do not have a right to say anymore. Barbara, Michael can have his shtick back when he stops using it to attempt to squash faithful Catholics who attend the SSPX. I really appreciate the space provided here in regards to the excellent content being discussed. Dear Louie, And it comes from the preaching of those who have received, along with their right of succession in the episcopate, the sure charism of truth. The same priest asked me to purchase a picture of the Archbishop (Lefebvre) for the Rectory. I, for one, would like to see priestly formation meaningfully addressed & perhaps even studied to a degree thats its possible in this format by Mr. V. & other trad sites. Our Lord sees everything. It may seem ironic, but I have zero tolerance for that. This is rich: Voris mentioning those who dont really know very much at all about the SSPX as he gets even the most basic facts completely wrong. I am only asking this question in the hope that you can shed some light on this kind of behavior. Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? The FSSP was founded on heresy and lies and it shows now all these years later. Allentown, PA Then I realized This entire tirade is full of calumny and detraction about the FSSP and false accusations about Fr. They are not coming out with press releases, video responses and challenges, threats to sue, etc. They ignore him as youd ignore an ant at a picnic. In truth, that the SSPX didnt actually run anywhere is the problem: Why all the differences in opinion here ??. Many Catholics, most Catholics, in fact, dont really know very much at all, if anything, about this group which has been around in one form or another since 1988, as one way of counting The Society came about in response, reaction to the overall weakening of the Church and many of Her leaders, which has been an ongoing process since the 1960s. Saguto, time for adoration and confessions, and a Rosary walk. One single Traditional Catholic College in the whole United States operating with the approval of the local ordinary was just too much to ask. Hope it may help someone to understand the complexity of it all. But they didnt. Gerard Saguto (US District Superior) and Fr. ***The aforementioned Catholics do not include the SSPX, who fit into a seperate category, not to be further delineated here, not bc it's complicated-it's not. Omaha, NE God bless you. I saw how they themselves maintained true & loyal friendships (which I happen to know continue to this day,) with fellow Catholics who were at odds with them w/regard to these matters. Naples, FL Under the standard of Christ? But thats definitely not the position of the SSPX. Thank you for your kind response which I believe to be as sincere as my question. Within that undertaking will be the discovery of where Catholicsm actually lives on, whole & entire, undefiled, untainted & immutable. At the top of the page under Photo Albums: Relics and Vist, November 2015 Visit and Vespers Oct. 26 - Nov. 1, 2015 While a routine and discipline are important (assuming these has been achieved in some measure), mindless routine and lack of discipline prey upon the vitality we, deep down, sense the Faith should inspire. Fr. Anyone who reads Louies blog should, by now, have developed an awareness of the dismal state of affairs in the Church. Since the fruits got worse and worse he understood that he needed to protect souls and to warn them about the dangers to their Faith. There are those whod love to discredit stories like yours, bc of their own prejudices & preferences while at the same time having a holier than though attitude that would put a Holy Roller Southern Baptist to shame. I dont know what changed his mind regarding the SSPX, but whatever or whomever it is has him hooked good. Lastly it is with Father Paul Nicholson, Father Nicholsons Bishop and opus dei. rich, you bring up an important subject, if you will, when you mention the mans evasiveness regarding serious matters of Faith. That said, I do no wish to engage you there, but others might want to- with regard to this. FSSP pastors are . Iv read and listened to lots of different people speak against this devotion but it never changed my mind. Catholics are STILL watching and waiting. His pastor for some time (until very recently) was Fr. Really? 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