As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. Asking for a friend. I brought a box of fiocchi and a box of blazer ammo. I initially thought that i had an extractor issue because i was getting FTE with some white box and otherRN, and FMJ ammo.. Thank yall for your input. Thanks to all for the advice. I would have recommended what you said you already tried, swapping extractors with one that is know to be good. Todd started as a news correspondent with NHPR in 2009. The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. Id read that for TMP, they got NASA to help in the design of the refit Enterprise. Just recently got a 9mm Full Size kit and it's driving me nuts. But were way past the days of major league, internationally known gunmakers turning out complete crap, selling it and the public living with it. Had it for 1 hour and had to send it back to Sig! OR some gorilla with more brawn than brains ignored the 40lb trigger pull they suddenly had to break the tab. Trying to categorically say Brand X is better than Brand Y! The chamber on the 320's is horribly unsupported and a questionable design in my opinion. Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. That focus drifts. three changes to the original design. I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. By Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. We'll see what happens now. Or you would have to have enough slide play for the slide movement to physically disengage the sear and striker leg mating surfaces. Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. May 25, 2016 in Sig. BrianEnos.com (unless theyre SWAT or something). yes. Yes, but that did not mean the machine would be able to go on being marketed like that. Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. A shame but then no one was hurt. After many years of testing, we've developed a replacement part that . The same should hold true for the insane marketing of pistols like the totally unsafe Glock. I call b-s on all these my gun magically went off. That said, I own multiple P320s, but all of them have the manual safety due to personal preference. She has the p320 9fs that has been RMR with a delta point. He holds a masters degree in public administration from Columbia University. a. Got a bad batch of WW ammo or Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces. Who knows. PDs are dropping them from contracts. The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle. The federal government intends to order up to 20,000 pistols for the military to replace its Second World War-era Browning Hi-Power handguns in a project that could be worth up to $50 million. Bagnell said he thinks the discharges are due to both design and manufacturing flaws on SIGs part. The drop-bang thing only happened at a very narrow event window, it was only once the Internet doom-preachers figured out that narrow window and did it over and over online did it appear to be a thing. Sig adapted and changed the pistol sufficiently to prevent even that issue. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. Yes. Stinking Lawyers and quota cops. He wanted TTAG to convey that hes pro-Second Amendment. But I am pretty confident they will not be of much support with using steel cased ammo, but it never hurts to ask. And they would not have done that for no reason at all. It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. You may have a P220, .38 Super with a carbon steel slide. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer Thats why the US Marines have Sigs. The Glocks lack of a manual safety has caused untold thousands of needless cripplings and death. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. Thanks for the replies guys and gals. Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. The Sig P320 XTen is one of few P320's that are in a different caliber, and the only 10mm Auto. . He wanted to see how accurate the gun was, especially after the customer got it back after the voluntary upgrade. BTW it was HK that made the first polymer gun, Glock actually stole the idea for the G17 from them. First off, no joke on me. Dude, your story is THREE years old. ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. Thats the same. LOL! They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldnt find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own. Upload or insert images from URL. ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. ALL OF THEM. But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. Thanks. Maybe in South America a poor military did, but thatd be about it. First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. Dang, I thought my 320 was the only one that swaged a belt on 9mm cases! Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. Going to have to feed it some more ammo this weekend to see if the problem happens again. How many times did Shatner actually watch it? Additionally, you will find what the users currently experience with this product. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. The pictures on the internet were enough to scare the shit out of you especially his wound in the thigh. Fundamentally, the bits that the ambulance chaser claims are flawed function exactly the same way as a S&W M&P. Great job, this threat needed some levity! NH food pantries expect rise in demand as SNAP benefits drop, Saint-Marc, tapped as federal magistrate judge, poised to make history in NH, NH AGs pursuit of hate group marks a turning point in officials response to extremism, Over 2 million more electric vehicles estimated in New England over next decade. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. . Paste as plain text instead, I have no idea. SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. SATIN GOLD | Matte TiN. Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. Both of my P320 carry's developed extraction issues. A forum community dedicated to SIG Sauer Pistols and SIG Sauer Rifles owners and enthusiasts. While you are at it swap extractor springs and rods as well. As they should. Sig Sauer has addressed the main issue with the P320 by redesigning the gun's trigger mechanism. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Did you try your other FCU with the 9F kit? Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! I have read on forums where the factory swapped the extractor and made another change to add more tension on it. These officers are not gunfighters. The company has repeatedly denied the P320 is unsafe. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. So I give a ton of credit to Shatner for reading the reality of what it was and in essence, saving it. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Only issue with 320 was initially choking on first round when all 17 rounds were loaded in mag. Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. The hype leading up to the P365 was pretty intense and the LGS sold a bunch of those. Well the Lonewolf stainless steel extractor came into today for my P320. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. Grow up, you aint all that! It's bad enoughso much case is hanging out beyond the chamber face to headspace just below flush with the hood. I have been purchasing and using Sig firearms exclusively for over 40 years. I'll keep you all posted. Each incident gives them more blood for their macabre dance, and another tic-mark for their context-free gun violence tally. The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. Period. Problem persisted. brakes, remember? Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. It doesnt matter whether SIG is at fault or not. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. In the suit, the deputy suggested that the company issue an "enhanced, unambiguous warning to . There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. "The P320 meets and exceeds all U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, Inc. (SAAMI), as. I have a 2015 born sc that has almost 2k rounds thru it & not one fte has occurred. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. As the round is stripped from the magazine it is pushed up the feed ramp and into the partially extracted round still hanging out the back of the barrel. TTAG talked to Bagnell, who told us that he wants it to be known that he is not anti-gun and doesnt want to see more gun control laws in this country. 3. . Not that the original was not good, but because it is a shell, they can do more. Since 2017, Sig has faced at least 13 lawsuits contending a P320 owner was shot and injured in one case, fatally when the gun misfired. The heads up testing was immediately finished the Sig was the winner. Post again when you buy a real gun that you can defend yourself with. More common is the incorrect reassembly, for those who have removed the plunger, spring or claw. Bagnell is representing a number of the police officers who have filed suits against SIG for un-commanded discharges, but wouldnt disclose the exact number. That being the case, the 320 is a cocked and locked striker-fired gun; However, it only has two safeties, unlike, say, a 1911, which has four: An inertial firing pin, a positive firing-pin locking safety, a manual sear-locking/blocking safety, and a trigger-bar-blocking grip safety. They received it on 1/10/2018. The gun has been running flawlessly with mixed brass with 165gn plated, 158gn 38/.357, and 147 factory since. Tyler Freel Nuts and Bolts of the Sig-Sauer P320 XTen. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. Newington-based Sig Sauer is facing a new legal complaint from 20 individuals, including law enforcement officers and military veterans, who claim they were injured when the companys pistols fired without a trigger pull. Vihtavuori doesn't publish data for even N320 with a 147gr plated bullet, much less N310, so not only is this N310, it's with an even heavier 165gr bullet. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. Was it his fault? But Shatner? He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. The company also recently successfully blocked a proposed class action lawsuit that centered on financial harm for P320 owners. Customer Service can be reached at (603)610-3000 Option 1, from Monday through Friday, 8:30 a.m. through 6:00 p.m. EST. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. So are dumb(or arrogant) cops. Theres still the P938 extractors snapping they refuse to acknowledge. Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. Yeah, what he said . Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. It SHOULD have more engagement width wise, but often doesnt due to things being rounded or out of square. I dont know nothing about Sigs, I do know any gunm that goes off when I lay it on a table gets sold with a warning and I never touch that brand or model again. Im a Kirk guy, a Shatner Kirk guy. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. From what I can tell, it has all the GEN II upgrades. So, I have a new p320 build.-New Sig Frame-New Norsso Slide-New PMM Barrel-New Sig Recoil Spring Assembly-Re-using firing pin, trigger group, extractor/spring out of my well-used P320 X-Five . Here is a movie that he filmed 40 years ago and he was still raking it in. Maybe. Either the gun is defective or its not. Capitol Police Officers Explanation for Shooting and Killing Ashli Babbitt Is Riddled With Problems, The City of Wichita Raked In Almost $200,000 Selling Seized Guns in the Last Five Years, Fifth Circuit Finalizes Ruling In Favor of Plaintiff in Cargill v. Garland, Legalizes Bump Stocks in Three States, Patriot Picket Lets Marylanders Know What to Expect From the Legislatures Bruen Response Bill, New From ShaloTek: P320 Compensated Slide, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/, https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g, https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan. He points to it in the video. The Defiant regardless of who is the captain. They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. does your striker release out of battery? Because its flat out bull**it. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. By hoping Sig gets taken down for the P320, theyre actually setting up their own pet brand to be the next on the chopping block. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. The P320 was known to discharge if dropped on the striker plate at a certain angle. Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. But it hardly indicts the P320 as a badly engineered weapon or that its worse than another brand. Let us look at the history of other consumer products. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. The enclosed paper work says they replaced the extractor spring and plunger as well as polish the rear of the slide. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. Fine. I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. Changing the extractor & extractor spring (recommended fix) seems to have solved the problem. never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. BAM. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! Wont last!. I have fired many different brands of ammo.. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The P320 9mm compact was known to have issues with failure to extract. This summer, the gunmaker prevailed in a suit involving a Hillsborough man who claimed his P320 discharged without a trigger pull. 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