I hear Jimi HendrixWas also unsure in dance despite being beautifulAnd especially attuned. TH: What I think the university can do is bridge the things weve been discussing; it can bridge James Joyce and Future. TH: Most workshops are set up around strategy, but theyre not set up around failure. Maybe theyll like caviar, maybe youll like octopus. I mean, what does he accomplish by doing this? These adversaries, dreamed up in Hayess poems, are also confined there: I lock you in an American sonnet that is part prison,/Part panic closet, a little room in a house set aflame., The conflict between flight and confinement is built into the form he has chosen. SHAPIRO: And the fact that he refers to my past and future assassin suggests that this is something perpetual in America that won't go away. Why do we have to read Shakespeare? I know because an article came back to me that said, You should read Shakespeare and Terrance Hayes. I agree with that, and I dont see why it cant be both. My point about the academic is not about high or low, its just that theres outside information. Instead, Rosenblum is choosing to litigate these post-conviction relief cases in civil court until the Oregon Supreme Court delivers a ruling on whether Ramos applies to past cases. But does that mean Im only making black-eyed peas and collard greens? So when my mother saw my earliest poems in the first book, she was like, Oh, it was just your imagination.. Terrance Hayes, others to serve as interim editors of Pitt Poetry Series Thursday, January 13, 2022 The Pitt Poetry Series, which was created by the University of Pittsburgh Press in 1967, is transitioning from the longtime editorship of Ed Ochester, who retired in October after more than four decades at the helm of the series. So thats my big question: am I the one thats limited and theres a way to do this thing, or is it the genre thats limited? Kate Brown, who has commuted sentences for more than 100 prisoners during the COVID-19 pandemic. If I see something is wrong, I will say its wrong. Maybe the one thats covered up is more interesting, and maybe the last result is sort of a failure, but thats all right, Im still going through the process. Are you making a landscape or a figure drawing when you put the puzzle together? TH: Support the Troops! The poet I mentioned who said you have to choose a side, its not like I disagree, its just, why would I rush? If its unconstitutional, why wouldnt it apply? asked Aliza Kaplan, a Lewis & Clark law professor who directs the Criminal Justice Reform Clinic at the law school and has been a vocal advocate against nonunanimous jury verdicts. You find that out especially as a teacher. JW: Its hard to get around the question of jobs and the shrinkage of the academic profession. This interview took place on June 24 and July 1, 2016, in Pittsburgh. What we can say now is that at least there are more people with opportunities. But Im still trying to get people to the table. It was launched in February by Zealous, a national organization founded by prominent criminal justice advocate and attorney Scott Hechinger that pushes for more advocacy by public defenders. She could choose to let those peoples cases through and let them start over and get a fair trial, Kaplan said. Probably twilight makes blackness dangerous. JW: Related to art, theres been a lot of critical writing about postmodernism and different kinds of theories, and you mentioned Benjamin. The prognosis does not seem promising. A security guard fetches the tear- I dont want there to be a great distance between me as an individual walking down the street and in the poems, because they feed each other, and one illuminates the other. Showing 30 distinct works. The issue of retroactivity is a legal doctrine that was specifically not decided by the Ramos decision, said Rosenblum spokesperson Kristina Edmunson. NPR's Ari Shapiro speaks with poetry reviewer, Tess Taylor about Terrance Hayes' new collection American Sonnets for my Past and Future Assassin. As he remarks in this interview, he resists being tied to one adjective to describe himself as a poet. Hayess sonnets emerge out of a sense of peril, and the evasiveness and protectiveness it requires. Probably the dark blue skin, Of a black man matches the dark blue skin. Created by Grove Atlantic and Electric Literature, My grandfather was a war veteran; my dad was in the army; my brother was in the army. By Dan Chiasson. Since then, he's won a huge number of literary prizes, including a MacArthur Foundation fellowship. If other people are eating it, thats fine, but this is your job. There never was a black male hysteria, a poem about Emmett Till begins, because a fret of white men drove you crazy/Or a clutch of goons drove you through Money,/Stole your money, paid you money, stole it again. In Money, Mississippi, where Till was lynched, Hayes finds in miniature the economic formula that has been scaled up successfully across America: black men are paid with money stolen from their ancestors, only to have it again taken away from them. And I think, if I was really trying to fully capture consciousness, I would have to leave poems. Thelonious Monk says there is no failure, theres only rehearsal and practice. If youve got a restaurant and youre McDonalds, you cant sell sushi, you just make burgers. Are those our only options? Tara McEvoy, right, whose review of Terrance Hayes's American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin won third place in the 2019 Burgess award for arts journalism, with Observer editor Paul . He was very direct about what he thought my potential was. The last poem in Hip Logic, The Same City, is about my stepdad and about the way I appreciate this man whos raised me. Here, cradled amid his wall of books and self-drawn canvases, he shuts down the noise of a thousand thoughts and goes into the quiet of listening to . It gets into the art for arts sake versus social purpose argument, but I think the real purpose is who do you want at the table with you? He came home to his wife of three years, Lynn James-Jackson, and his first home-cooked meal of smoked salmon, steamed broccoli and baby shrimp. Every time I tried to bring it up with my friends, they were like, Man, what are you talking about? I didnt expect everyone to want to talk to me about it. I dont think anybody is just a poet with no adjectives. Hayes was surprised at the Ramos ruling, having had little faith in the countrys criminal justice system. We knew where it came from, we knew it was designed culturally for us, for Black men, people of color, Jackson said. What does it mean to say only certain people? So, if Im talking to someone, and I mention Glenn Gould and Future, or Picasso and Lil Wayne, my mind is always bridging those two things. The challenge for me in grad school was other peoples timelines. I mean, I can't actually remember another book that does this, where every single poem has the same title for an entire collection. Terrence Hayes (center), 37, is shown with his family in their Northeast Portland home on Friday, March 5, 2021. The Criminal Justice Reform Clinic gathered racial data from public records on the group of people who have filed relief petitions asking for the Supreme Court ruling to apply to them as of late January. We will take a very serious look at whether the interests of justice are served in retrying Ramos cases that are returned to us after a court ruling, and we plan to center equity and fairness in making these determinations, Weisberg said. I can do pretty good figurative stuffLucian Freud is my man. TH: Gentle Measures almost went into Lighthead, but I just didnt have it finished. But now theres digital or social media, which people like my daughter are very aware of. TH: Yesand many other things. I say to students that its fine to not know stuff, but you have to research everything. Ive been talking for a year about this poem that I started in 2009, and in 2013 I printed it out and it was 244 pages. Every poem is a sonnet, and every sonnet is titled: "American Sonnet for my Past and Future Assassin.". Im not saying its confessional, but it gives more texture to your work if you can figure out how not to close off those rooms. On the other side, a graduate student is so close to the professional world that they cant help but have those things influence them. Do you see paintings as a puzzle? Which is really lucky. The group is seeking support and placing the spotlight on Rosenblum urging her to take action now. Terrance Hayes, Hip Logic, Penguin Books, 2002. Race might be part of my identity, but its not the only thing thats there. Terrence Haynes. What do you think universities can do? If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. I wrote them one at a time, and there are six, because a box has six sides. I understand that people around me think that my involvement in a new center will be a good thing, but I say, Well, how does a MacArthur make me a better poet?. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. I do think that the phenomena where you have access to all of that information makes you polyglot. The joke in my classes and in my household is that I am always timing and measuring everything. I havent seen that prize. Im not asking to get rid of Bach and Beethoven and only to listen to this knucklehead from Atlanta. TH: You get that with students. Especially in poetry, although the joys are when its not poetry. The other thing is what the pronoun I does in my poemsis it a confessional I, an intellectual I? It was because I couldnt afford a twelve-by-twelve canvas for each of the pieces. I wouldnt limit it there: I would say, yes, Im African-American; yes, Im Southern; yes, Im male; yes, Im hip-hop; yes, Im neurotic; yes, Im a bastard poet. He calls his mother every morning. But clearly the cool-blooded Amphibian-American does not agree. In other cases, such as Hayes, Rosenblum wouldnt directly determine whether a retrial is warranted, but as the states chief legal officer her decision would set a precedent that others would likely follow. My default answer to just about everything in the world is, Man, Im just going to go write a poem. When things get rough, whether its grading student papers or paying the bills or a fight with my wife, my default answer is to write a poem and just forget about all of it. Then last summer, in 2015, I pulled it out again, and I was like, Okay, Im going to get these pages down to sixty pages. After missing out on his kids, he wants to make the most of his time with his grandkids. Darkness. All my flaws and quirks and neuroses, they fit just as well as the scarring that comes from racism or masculinity, and I dont want to have to cut that off. But you have to know what kids are responding to. Ive always had a sense of moving into spaces where I felt a little bit different. Tess, thanks so much. Terrance Hayes is probably the most innovative poet addressing the complexities of race in America today. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. TH: I dont know how negative that is. Born in Columbia, South Carolina, Terrance Hayes earned a BA at Coker College and an MFA at the University of Pittsburgh. JW: I want to ask about your background and how you came to do poetry. Should I mirror the rhythm of her hips,Or should I take the lead? Since graduate school, Hayes has published a steady stream of books, beginning with Muscular Music (Tia Chucha Press, 1999; reprint Carnegie Mellon University Press, 2006); Hip Logic (Penguin, 2002), selected for the National Poetry Series; Wind in a Box (Penguin, 2006); Lighthead (Penguin, 2010), which won a National Book Award; How to Draw (Penguin, 2015); and the forthcoming American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin (Penguin, 2018). TH: Maybe a satirical question like in Support the Troops! where Im asking, why should I support them? Most late nights, the husband, father of two, and full-time professor escapes the "jam of life's traffic" by walking the 14 steps to his third-floor study. I feel like this is true in the poetry process. The latter won the Poetry Foundation's 2019 Pegasus Award for Poetry Criticism. In seventy sonnets written after Trumps election, Hayes manages boundless anxiety with formal innovation. I had another poem about my father working in the yard called The Earth God, and I worked on it for about two years. JW: I want to come back to how you reflect upon your own success, but first I want to ask about your relation to art. TH: I feel limited as a painter. they rage. Sometimes black students and female students will say, They didnt teach black writers, or There werent that many women. And I say, Right, but thats the symptom of their era; now its a new era, but its not like we can just forget the canon. If a kid says, We dont need Mark Twain, I say the canon still has to be folded in. They love their grandpop, Jackson said. The problem is what to do with them after that, if they cant get a job teaching? Could you be a high school English teacher? These poems all happen in the mind, which has been portioned into zones called I and you. Both assume countless different roles, but what remains constant is their reliance upon each other and their tendency to flip positions. So Ill risk naivety in the moment. You work on the poem, you bring it in, and people say this is wrong, heres a strategy on how to fix it. Its like your grandfather worked every day at the mill, but you never knew what his favorite color was, or what cruel thing his mother said to him when he was ten years old. Are existential jambalaya. Schmidt will also defer to a future ruling on retroactivity, according to spokesperson Brent Weisberg. Im not doing enough as an individual if Im not seeking out new experiences, new people, being challenged, being honest with who I am, or my poems are going to be stuck. The Still in Prison campaign is working to raise public awareness about the impact of Oregons law. These crisis conditions suit Hayes. Terrance Hayes is a poet who reflects on race, gender, and family in works marked by formal dexterity and a reverence for history and the artistry of crafting verse. TH: The other side would be the question of failure. Like, one of these sonnets begins, (reading) a remix of "Pony" by Ginuwine plays while half a dozen beautiful black men strut on stage wearing translucent black housecoats, then pause with their backs to us before a slow twerking as half a dozen beautiful black women walk on stage in sharp alabaster tuxedos and surgical masks. In fact, you were a painter before you were a poet. And yet I still feel like theres something wrong with trying to force me to support the troops., Ive always had a sense of moving into spaces where I felt a little bit different. Each one is called "American Sonnet For My Past And Future Assassin" - almost identical as the title of the collection. I like the texture of it, so the only way to get to that is to keep painting stuff and erasing it, and painting on top of it and struggling with it so the layers would be hidden. So I would hope that in my forties I would be different, more interesting, and know moreand probably be more ambivalentthan I was in my twenties. I would say, first, thats who I am. Poetry is the end for me. In my last year, I had done a series of paintings on ceiling tiles. It directly asks the high court whether the Ramos case applies retroactively; a ruling is expected by July. Her office is handling petitions for relief from Jackson and hundreds of others seeking retrials. That figure is just moving around. Terrance Hayes (born November 18, 1971) is an American poet and educator who has published seven poetry collections. TH: The thing that is always a challenge from one poem to the next is managing time. in the face the music of his wrist-. I smile at Ronald's poster, perpetual grin behind the pissed-off, fly-girl cashier I love. Bridging those things is my natural way of thinking, and I think of that as a collage. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. But I had gotten into a habit of working as long as I wanted to on my poems. But then there is that other part of me that walks up the street and watches CNN and hears stories, and it is true that I inhabit this world and want to respond to that. "My Aesthetic Schizophrenia: An Interview with Terrence Hayes", Jonathan Moody, Audio: Terrance Hayes Reading for From the Fishouse, Library of Congress Online Catalog > Terrance Hayes, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrance_Hayes&oldid=1111538819, Short description is different from Wikidata, Official website different in Wikidata and Wikipedia, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 21 September 2022, at 14:09. You can read Toni Morrison and still read Shakespeare. Now, Rosenblum has the power to change Hayes life again. So my definition of the academic requires a little outside information. to see him on the basketball court. [6] His second collection, Hip Logic (2002), won the National Poetry Series, was a finalist for the Los Angeles Times Book Award, and runner-up for the James Laughlin Award from the Academy of American Poets. But when the time came and I looked at studio arts, I couldnt afford it. And I think that that - this relentless title comes back to the relentlessness of, you know, the American racism that we live with. On the one hand, it seems like your career was accidental. It was sort of like Walter Benjamins Arcades Project, but it wasnt working and it wasnt good, so I stopped and finished How to be Drawn. You have the same judge that has the ability to rectify this offense particularly because this law is particularly steeped in racism, Hayes said. Hayes's first book of poetry, Muscular Music (1999), won both a Whiting Award and the Kate Tufts Discovery Award. watch your mouth is little more. Allen Grossman said, when people ask, What are your poems about? he says, Poetry, the subject is always poetry. I find that to be very useful as a maker of poems, even though thats frustrating for readers. [2], Hayes was born in Columbia, South Carolina. How would you characterize your writing? Terrence Hayes was 19 when he shot a man in the leg in 2004. In Dont Call Us Dead, the poet brings the unruly power of performance to the written word. Hayes is preparing to file for post-conviction relief. I can put things together and see what is made without having to choose. (Reading) A barn shootout endangering the farm life - I live a life that burns a hole through life that leaves a scar for life that makes me weep for another life. Of course I was wrong, but its become a practice that Im still trying to read as much as I can. Like a coin toss that keeps coming up heads, iterated titles suggest an occult lucky streak bound to break. Youre a synthetic poet. Some of them want that, but they dont know what it looks like or know enough about the template for becoming a successful writer, so they wind up writing really interesting things all the time. She cited the practical consequences of allowing hundreds, potentially thousands of past cases be retried. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. Rosenblum, who initially spoke in favor of repealing the law, eventually filed a brief in Ramos v. Louisiana opposing the U.S. Supreme Court overturning split jury verdicts. Its powerful because its not an invective so much as a diagnosis. The Politics and Play of Terrance Hayes. My approach to life and my work is not strategy. That poem is also a conversation about whether you have to choose a side. I did high jump and the four-hundred-meter relay. On the other hand, its romantic to assume that youre going to be poor. The following interview appears in the Spring 2018 issue of The Iowa Review. Reasonable people do want somebody at the table with them; theres something wrong with the image of me sitting at the table and people watching me eat. After that, he taught in Japan, at Xavier University in Louisiana, and from 2001 to 2013 at Carnegie Mellon University. I know you paint and have for a long time. But if I dont know that, then the poem will also be about that; it will be about not knowing. Thats a better way of being an artist to me; thats a more interesting artist who doesnt know and is pursuing an answer versus an artist who does know. It could be an enormous one, or it could just be a small table. They sometimes say, Theres all this new work, and youre still trying to make us read these old white dudes from the canon. Last year at Yale, some students protested, saying, Why do we have to read all these white guys? SHAPIRO: The most striking thing about this book when you open it up is that each poem has the same title. I was gonna fight it until I couldnt fight anymore.. This story was amended March 22, 2021, to clarify that Rosenblum would not handle Hayes post-conviction relief case because he is no longer in custody nor is he on post-prison supervision. from the University of Pittsburgh writing program. So in the last year or two, I did take pictures of the paintings going through these various stages. In his five books, he has perfected a sort of poem where wild jams carom inside arbitrary formal boundaries. "Terrance Hayes is an elegant and adventurous writer with disarming humor, grace, tenderness, and brilliant turns of phrase. Hendrix, his blues pedigree whitewashed by hippie culture, is a powerful figure of passionate ambivalence, unsure how to dance in a way that is both black and not black. I was a visual artist, too, so I got offers from Savannah College of Design, but they didnt have any sports, and they didnt give me enough money. But I have no nose, no mouth, so you tell me what's good, what's god, what's funky. Ginsbergs comrades sang out of their windows in despair, jumped in the filthy Passaic, leaped on negroes, and danced on broken wineglasses barefoot smashed phonograph records. The white bohemians have the freedom to go on benders and sprees, while Hayes must wonder how to hold my face. He is not afraid of looking goofy; he is afraid of being murdered. Hayes' 14-line projects react to the poet's own frustration with his fame (which eats up his time with worthy obligations, isolates him, and cannot give him peace), as well as reacting . him with a "Get the Hell out of here!" Theyre also about identity, and some of them talk about race explicitly. I got letters from LSU, Clemson, UNC Chapel-Hill, but no one gave a full ride. A week earlier, Murrell had assaulted Haynes at a shopping mall in an . Hayes said hes disappointed in Rosenblums decision to wait, especially with her being the judge that oversaw his case 16 years before. What's going on here? Its unclear how the court will rule. How did you win this? And I say, I didnt predict any of this. With each book, I think every poem is the last poem, every book is the last book. 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